Conceptual artist David Robbins talks about his life as an artist through New York (where he worked for Andy Warhol just out of college), Europe (especially Brussels) and now in Milwaukee; his writing on and making Concrete Comedy, as an alternative to mainstream comedy; his seminal work "Talent;" and working outside of the market system, and the freedom that comes with it. The Conversation's website: http://theconversationpod.com/ The Conversation on Stitcher (the alternative to iTunes): http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/wwwstitchercompodcasttheconversation/the-conversation-art-podcast?refid=stpr The Conversation on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/conversation-artist-podcast/id481461646 The Conversation on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Conversation-An-Artist-Podcast/254884424579431 http://instagram.com/artistpodcast Twitter: @artistpodcast Your support of the podcast is very much appreciated- donations can be made via the website, and help keep the show going.

Artist Zak Smith talks about: Why there still isn't an art "podcast of record"(!); his time at Yale, and the particular dysfunctions of what's known as the Yale Pit and it's public flogging-style critiques; the reasons why he went to grad school, and how it's successfully impacted his career; his long-term relationship with his gallery Fredericks & Freiser; his decision to leave New York for L.A., from a community of artists and musicians to one of strippers and porn stars; and his work in porn, while debunking some myths that people have about the industry and the people in it. The Conversation's website: http://theconversationpod.com/ The Conversation on Stitcher (the alternative to iTunes): http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/wwwstitchercompodcasttheconversation/the-conversation-art-podcast?refid=stpr The Conversation on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/conversation-artist-podcast/id481461646 The Conversation on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Conversation-An-Artist-Podcast/254884424579431 http://instagram.com/artistpodcast Twitter: @artistpodcast Your support of the podcast is very much appreciated- donations can be made via the website, and help keep the show going.

Roger White - artist, the co-creator and co-editor of the art journal Paper Monument, and author of the recent book, The Contemporaries: Travels in the 21st-Century Art World - discusses: the main characters in his book: Dana Schutz, Mary Walling Blackburn and Stephen Kaltenbach; entering and exiting the art world with varying degrees of notice; the pros and cons of working for other artists (with specific mention of assistants to Vanessa Beecroft and Jeff Koons); the challenges of creating alternate/regional art centers; the exhuming of vintage artist's careers, and how in the future that may no longer be possible; and Roger weighs in on painting, why he does it, and attempts to argue for the irrelevance of whether it's relevant. The Conversation's website: http://theconversationpod.com/ The Conversation on Stitcher (the alternative to iTunes): http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/wwwstitchercompodcasttheconversation/the-conversation-art-podcast?refid=stpr The Conversation on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/conversation-artist-podcast/id481461646 The Conversation on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Conversation-An-Artist-Podcast/254884424579431 http://instagram.com/artistpodcast Twitter: @artistpodcast Your support of the podcast is very much appreciated- donations can be made via the website, and help keep the show going.